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President's Corner - President

Office of Sec. - Anne

   Koi Chat with Sandee

Caught In The Net  by Todo

Shipping 101 by Robert Rice Should you Marry a non-ponder

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Presidents Corner:

I hope everyone has had smooth transitions with their ponds, temperatures have jumped in a hurry! Remember as we begin to get a lot of afternoon storms it’s a good time to keep a check on P.H. Levels, heavy rains can throw them off. Adding nylon stocking filled with oyster shell can help to buffer your pH against sudden changes.

Once again we have made it through another Annual Pond Tour, despite blistering temperatures we had a good attendance. The Tour brought in an excess of $1,000.00 not counting revenue from new memberships and the chances sold on the pond kit. Congratulations to Mary Ann and Mackenzie Devery who won the drawing for the pond. I'd like to Thank Fred & Teresa Leib for hosting the after pond tour picnic and meeting, as always they did a fine job and I appreciate them opening their home to us. Attendance for the meeting was not bad considering some rather heavy afternoon showers. For those who were not able to attend, you missed a very interesting presentation given by Jim Roberts on giving injections to Koi. Pat Rutherford also shared some information he found that hides exposed liners with a new product called Rock on a Roll. If you would like information I'm sure that Jim or Pat would be more than happy to talk with you about any questions you might have on either presentation.

Our attention will now focus on the Fall Show. We are already starting to receive some inquiries about the November 4 event. We will need volunteers to help on various committees before, during and after the show. Arrangements have been made compliments of Shirley Stone, to secure Town Hall Park in Orange Park for the show again this year. Those who attended the show last year know what a great location this is for the show.

I look forward to seeing everyone at the July Meeting.   Charlie Gardner

Office of the Secretary by: Anne

Everyone who attended the picnic at Fred and Teresa Leib’s appeared to have a great time, and many came in spite of the downpour of much needed rain.

There was a special drawing for the members who either showed their ponds or volunteered to help; Terry Carter had the winning number and received a Japanese Lantern.

Pat Rutherford brought a new product he found, "Rock on a Roll" from www.prettyponds.com.

This is a stone/sand covered rubber material 2’ x6’ made to cover pond edges, waterfalls, etc. for a more natural look. If you are interested in this product and don’t have access to the Internet; give me a call and I will try to get more information for you.

Jim Roberts gave a talk on how to anesthetize and inject our sick Koi. He showed the injection sites and how to infuse the anesthesia in to the water. Also covered were the different types and doses of medication to use-all from Doc Johnson’s book. He emphasized the importance of the time needed for recovery, and the special treatment conditions. Where to obtain the syringes, needles and medications were explained.

We had 38 members attend the meeting, as well as several guests.

Koi Chat with Sandee

Todo & Sandee Todorsky have been members of NFKC since the pond tour of 1994. They already had their first pond. It was about 800 gallons, kidney shaped, with a lot of plants and no filtration system. They liked the natural look, but they had problems keeping fish alive. On the pond tour they learned about koi & the need for a filtration system as well as how to put one together inexpensively.

A small bucket filter followed the pond tour. Then the pond grew to 2000 gallons with more water movement and more filtration. The first pond was kidney shaped with sloped sides and a shallow end. The second pond was deeper with straight sides. Both had a deck that extended out over part of the water which provided a shady place for the fish to hide.

But before the second pond was two years old, it was becoming too small. A fry pond was put in next to the main pond, a 650 in ground pond for spawning and then growing out fry. The main pond was expanded to 6500 gal. dug out with the help of a few friends with shovels. It is 16' x 18' x 3'. It still has a deck that goes out over the water. And it now has a pergola that has been completely overgrown with vining plants.

Three of the fish currently in the main pond are from the original group that was purchased the first year. As it turns out, all 3 are female. And they will have a home as long as Todo & Sandee can manage to keep up a pond.

As for an interesting fish story, there are many. But it was Todo who decided they needed a pond and set about putting it in the yard and getting the first fish. But by the next spring, Sandee was hooked and was fascinated with the babies whom they first assumed were mosquito or some other kind of larvae until they started to swim and take on color. The second spring started the breeding program. Sandee got so involved that she finally got a license and became a fish breeder. It’s something that Todo & Sandee have worked on together. It has been a good learning experience, and choosing fish to breed for certain characteristics has been fascinating. But this will be the last year for that. The Todorsky’s are going back to being just hobbyists and club members.

Advice for new koi keepers: quarantine your fish to prevent as much loss as possible; maintain a good filter system; and enjoy your fish. They have personalities just like any other pets.

Caught In The Net ByTodo

Many of us feed our fish interesting stuff. Here is a thread I found on rec.ponds the other day:

Someone on this forum mentioned oranges, peas, grapefruit, etc. for koi. I got my boys and girls an orange, tossed some sections in and they grabbed them and took off like dogs with bones. It was too funny. How often can they, or should they, have this kind of treat? Or is a necessity and not a treat. Can they have peas, oranges, etc., all in one day? I appreciate any info you can give me on keeping these guys happy and healthy!

Hi, I also feed my fish banana,lettuce, spinach,and am going to try swiss chard tomorrow, I usually do this only twice a week as I am not sure either as to how often, a good question,. I will keep posted to find out as well . (Ed. I like iceburg lettice, just toss out the whole head and they have a fine time tearing it apart.)

Slice a watermelon in half lengthwise and throw it in. Pretty soon you will see the melon scooting around the pond. ( Ed. This is my personal favorite special food. They not only eat the soft inner flesh. Over a few days they eat the rind and the thin shell left over. In short, they eat the whole thing.)

Overripe cantalope (finely diced) or banana are favorite treats.

My Goldfish are in the middle of their annual Mulberry feast. Ones that fall in the pond from the overhanging branch are eaten immediately. Ones that are swept into pond from walk get eaten too. I don't know where they put them all since fish don't seem to have hollow legs.

Shipping 101 by Robert Rice

Ok, OK you have done it .You have just collected the hidden, secret spot of your favorite fish and shockingly have too many excellent fish. Maybe you have done even better and your favorite fish has spawned and you have fry coming out your ears. Great , at first you panic then you dig out a NANFA trading post and decide I want to send my fish to Miss Jones in Portland Oregon! Sounds good so far. Miss. Jones being a trusting sort sends you a box full of aquatic plants that you have wanted for years. You are in heaven! Suddenly you realize you have a problem you owe Miss Jones some fish but do not have the foggiest idea how to get them to her! Relax your friendly host (me) will walk you through the whole thing. You need to ship fish? Well first off you need to get a box and some bags. Here is the place where a friendly pet store owner can make your life easier. Let's say you ask your local pet store owner Hans "Sir, do you have any extra boxes or bags I need to ship some fish". Hans looks at you in disgst and says " Why do you need to ship fish, you don't buy fish here so where did they come from? You are a bad person get out of my store." So you slink away vowing never to return. On your way home you get a brainstorm and stop at the local Piggly Wiggly grocery store and purchase a box of Glad freezer bags for $1.29. Not the ziplock kind but the cheap old reguar freezer bags.You also notice CHEAP styro coolers for $1.99 and snag one of those too. On your way out you talk them into giving you a cardboard box that once held Pampers diapers. OK , fine you are in business. Or what if instead old Hans had said "Boxes? You want Boxes? Yeah I got a pile of them in the back help yourself and buy something will ya? " So you purchase some bags from him at a nickel a piece and vow to buy all your hardware from your new buddy Hans. Who by the way loves to collect, and tries to talk you into taking him with him next time you go (that is a different story though !). So, either way you are heading home with the right tuff in your car and a grinding fear in your heart about shipping those fish. You wonder how can fish survive in this little box for the long trip to Oregon. A tear wells up in your eye when you think "I could be sending my babies to there DOOM , whoa is me." Relax fish are not people and they can tolerate a box very easily and with little stress. You have picked your fish out and are ready to start packing . First rule of packing is less water equals more fish! that means put the absolute minimum amount of water in each bag. Fish do not breath water they breath air. If your bag is full of water and not air you will have a very heavy box of stinky water arriving in Oregon and a very angry Miss Jones opening them. So put about an inch of water in each bag sometimes more , sometimes less depending on the size of the fish. I like to put just enough to fully cover each fish and never any more. Then I blow the bags up to a squishy soft consistency. If you are lucky and have bottled O2 or a tire pump use that intead of blowing em up with your mouth. When you exhale it adds a bit of CO2 to the air mix wich is not good. If not your air is better than no air. Now be carefull, if you blow your plastic bags up too much , the pressure change while on an airplane can burst the bags open .  Rule number two is, more bags equals more fish. What this means is it is far better to have 15 small bags with 1 fish in them than two large bags with 8 fish in them. If a fish dies you will limit the damage to his buddies if they are not in the bag with him ! So now you have packed up these fish just so and have all these cute little bags on the floor what now? Simple, place them in the Styrofoam box and put a bit of newspaper in there to cover any gaps and tape the box closed. I use 2 inch wide packing tape as it adds support to the box. Then place the whole thing inside a suitably sized cardboard box with a bit of newspaper to cover the gaps label it and write live fish on the sides of this box. Tape it shut and you are ready to go to the post office. Maybe Hans gave you a cardboard and styro all in one. If so, skip a step and head to the post office! The post office you say! Why not UPS, Fed Ex or one of the other carriers? Because they often do not allow the shipping of live animals and they are always more expensive. So you lug your large ugly box up there, all labeled up and the postal clerk says " I am sorry but we can't ship LIVE fish ." You however have read this article and are prepared and reply " Ma'am in the domestic mail manual section 124.632 it states you can ship non venomous cold blooded animals via the post office." "Oh "she says, looks it up and says "Never mind!" and your fish are on their way. Wait you say, what if I was shipping to another country, say London England, is that legal? You would recite the same sentence except add ".....the international mail manual states in section 139.1 that the shipment of non........" You get the picture. Anyway she says "oh" and ask "how would you like it shipped?" The correct answr is priority mail. Most packages are there in 2 days and it is so cheap you can't beat it. So you cough up about 10-12 dollars and head home and wait. The best thing is next time you ship fish, the postal employees will all know you are the fish person and will be glad to help. See those postal service coffee breaks are good for something. Two days later you get a call from Miss. Jones in Oregon thanking you for your cool fish and all is well. You are happy, your fish are happy and Miss. Jones is happy. Life is good. You think you might want to trade again and dig out your NANFA trading post again. Yes life is good! I have used the same setup to send fish all around the world with waits as long as 14 days with a higher that 80% survival rate. So do not be afraid to ship fish, be afraid of taxes, death, environmental apathy but not shipping fish. Until next time good luck and good fishing. Internet Ponder May/June 1999

Should you marry a non-ponder?

There are many weddings, going on even as you read this, where this important question has not even been considered. Now I know that the idea of it is definitely shocking, but those things do happen in the real world so we have to consider it. In fact, I have been married to my first wife, a non-ponder for over 30 years, but I think if something happened to her, I would only look at ponder women for a prospective second wife.

My wife is in good health so don't think I am too serious about this second wife business, but one does have to think ahead. So how would I go about picking this pond woman? Since I have only been married once, I don't have a lot of experience to call on, but here is what I would do. First I would request a picture! No, no, not of her, but of her pond!

Maybe I would post something to one of those lonely heart clubs that read something like this, "Lonely 50-ish widower, wanting woman for serious pond relationship. Must have at least three years of pond experience and be able to clean filters, treat sick fish, raise water lilies, lift at least 50 pounds, and chase frogs. Age, race, religion, and beauty are not important, but husky women will receive higher consideration. Please send large picture of pond." Now that ought to get a few good responses.

Now why would I want to only marry a ponder woman? Well, non-ponders just don't understand why another pond or a larger pond is really necessary. They also complain about the costs of things, such as spending $60 on a lotus, $150 on a good quality pump, or $200 on a prize koi. Now how can you honestly put a value on such an important thing as ponding? Now I know some of you are between marriages, or at least thinking about it, or maybe like me, just speculating, so what do you think, should you marry a Non-ponder?

Ed Haris (via, Internet Ponder May/June 1999)
eddmg@prodigy.net <mailto:eddmg@prodigy.net>

President's Corner - President

Office of Sec. - Anne

   Koi Chat with Sandee

Caught In The Net  by Todo

Shipping 101 by Robert Rice Should you Marry a non-ponder