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May 2002

20th Anniversary Year

Selected Articles

From the President

Secretary Reports

Spawning of Koi

A Turtle in Your Water Garden

AKCA Report

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From the President to the N. F.K C. Members:  I would like to thank Jan Brown for hosting our meeting. Thank you Jan! The Faux rock was a fun project and I saw a lot of members having such fun. Thank you Jan for the demonstration and for supplying all the materials to put on the demonstration. I want to thank Cindy Dean for all the raffle donations and the help in cleaning up after the meeting was over and everybody else who helped. At this time I want to let all hosting participants know, that you do not to have to come up with, or demonstrate an idea to the club. These demonstrations are discussed at the board meetings and it is then decided what and who will do the demonstration. Anyone wanting to do a demonstration is welcome to do so with board OK. We will let you know at what meeting you can present your demonstration to the members.

I want all members to know that if you have any concerns about the club please direct them to me and not my wife. I am the one you need to complain to or hopefully, pat on the back not my dear wife. Tina did not become my secretary by proxy and I hope all the members respect her as I do and leave her out of all board related issues. Now I’m not saying there have been a lot of occurrences of this happening, but there have been some and I wish it to stop. Please tell me your concerns I’ll do my best to listen to them. Thank you!

Tina and I sure did have a great time at the show. The show co-chairpersons definitely did a fabulous job putting together our show. Let’s thank Dan and Barbara Wehby for a job well done! It was really nice to see so many members helping each other and making it possible to put this show on. I have other comments about the show later in this issue.

Tim Gasson

Did we have a great little show or what?

As President and on behalf of the board I would like to thank Dan and Barbara Wehby for planning and providing perhaps that best Young Fish Show we have seen in the 6 years since NFKC took the show from a private club event to a public show. Their ideas for the videos were a great crowd pleaser and many visitors took advantage of them. Though we have had picture boards in the past, Barbara made these come alive with pages taken from our web site as well of before and after pictures of concrete and liner pond construction. They involved as many members of the club as they could, this is not easy to do, as volunteers are often hard to come by. When I asked Dan and Barbara to chair the show back in January, I had no idea what a wonderful team we had in our club. Thanks to thank Joe and Sherry White for coming to judge and also Jim Roberts for co-judging.

Another event that went far beyond our expectations was the fish auction. Thanks to Shirley Stone, Dan & Barbara, Anne Miller and Tina Gasson for donating over 30 fine fish, we really had something to offer our guests. The turn out for the silent auction and regular auction was very good. Not only did we have members and local people involved, but we had guests from the Gainesville club and Nature’s Coast club. Interestingly, Joe Pawlak’s mother (Black Water Creek) bought fish from us as did several members of the other clubs. In the end we cleared over $1000 Thanks to all the members who gave of their time to make this whole event come off very well. Tim

 Secretary's   Report By Todo  Meeting 4/14/02 Attendance: 45 members and guests

Tim called the meeting at 2:15 and we had a treasure’s report from JoAnne. Dan gave a report on the Young Fish Show on April 27th. He still needs a list of who will be showing and who and what fish members plan to contribute to the auction. Dan and Barbara gave out slips assigning duties at the show.

Jim gave a very tentative report on plans for the Nov. Koi show. He mentioned that his committee was considering a 2 day show. This caused a stir among some members who had many questions and comments. For all that was said the issue was finally tabled until the show committee presents their proposal for the show in a formal way.

Rod mentioned he planned to attend the show in Louisville and wanted a Friendship Award to present. Tim said we already had such awards on hand and the club agreed to give Rod an award to take.

Jan gave a report on the pond tour. We now have the 12 ponds we planned to have, but she said the committee needs volunteers to help out with the tour. Please sign up to help. She had posters and fliers. If you want fliers, contact her, or copy them off the web site.

Todo produced business cards for the members to carry with them to give out to people interested in the club. He will have more of these at the next meeting. He also asked the members if they would like to get their newsletter online, instead of in paper form. Some discussion followed, but it was made clear that the hard copy of the newsletter would not go away. Rod suggested that Todo email a reminder of the meeting to those who sign up of online only. If this is attractive to you, let Todo know and you will be helping to save the club a few bucks a year.

The activity for this meeting was Jan’s project on making fake rocks out of concrete. Many members got right in there and used those mud pie skills they have not used for so many years. It was a great fun activity. Thanks to Jan and Paul.

Spawning of Koi

by Dr. Bertrelle Caswell, Guest Speaker, Ventura Koi Society, July 1979 Via Pondhoppers, Gainsville Koi and Watergarden Club

Hazards: Koi need not spawn in order to remain healthy. On the contrary, the process has accompanying dangers to health, color, and patterning of fish which are involved. Under normal pond conditions, indiscriminate and spontaneous spawning may occur, unobserved by the pond owner, and the resulting eggs either are eaten by the adults or disappear down the overflow, particularly when the pond is free of vegetation. When spawning is a deliberately encouraged and planned event, many more considerations are involved.

Age as a Factor: A procedure which works for one person usually can be found to have an alternative used by another successful breeder. However, one consideration must be recognized by all breeders: age of the fish. A young koi may be fertile, but the hatch which it produces of young fish is not strong. On the contrary, although a female may have a span of fertility over 15 years, as she ages, her eggs develop a tougher covering which sperm have difficulty in penetrating, so the hatch may be unpredictable an quixotic.

Ratio: The number of males to female in mating is controversial. Certainly, a 1:1 relationship has a more predictable genetic outcome than when several males are used. Equally important as a consideration is the possibility that a number of aggressive males may subject the female to injury in their spawning excitement. Under NO circumstance should the ratio ever exceed 2:1. Taken for granted is that fish being mated will be of relatively similar size.

Temperature/Season: April to July are the usual months when fish tend to spawn, at a time when the temperature range is fairly consistent and the difference between day-time and night-time low probably does not exceed 30 degrees F. Another reason for preferring this time of year is that live food is available and a stronger hatch is probable.

Preparations: Dr. Caswell has found a seeming coincidence between actuality and the Japanese belief that the best spawning time is at the full of the moon. As a consequence, she starts preparing a few days ahead of the anticipated full moon, just in case... Mated koi are separated from others into their own tank or pond. Isolating specimens actually is helpful if done about a month ahead of the possible spawning. A location should be chosen where the fish readily can be picked up and where they can be calm. Hand feeding helps assure them as well.

Nesting Materials: Koi actually do not form nests, but that terminology is used to describe any medium which fans out under water and which does not foul the environment. A synthetic, brushlike plastic media is available, but Dr. Caswell does not use it. Instead, she prefers natural substances: willow cuttings with long stringy roots, tips only of the small type podocarpus, with the bunched branches tied outside the pond. Although she also does not recommend juniper, which is somewhat oily and may need advance cleansing, some breeders do use it. Any medium used should be submerged totally or at least to a large proportion of its are subject to breakage into small parts, which can be a nuisance. If they are used, the plants should be treated with Dipterex (Dylox), then thoroughly rinsed and cleaned to rid flies, which themselves are harmless, but their larvae hatch into the parasitic “water tigers” which attack the very tiny koi.

Setting the Stage: Female koi become large and bloated with eggs and usually are readily identified. Their abdomen is heavy and soft but resilient. When they are ready to lay the eggs, the male is presumed also to be ready. Because the heaviness of the female partially is buoyed up by the water support, she never should be out of water at any time when netted or moved by hand. Male or female fish being mated must be handled with utmost carefulness.

Some breeders put both male and female into their separate pond at the same time. Others put the female in early, to get her acclimated, then add the male later in the afternoon or early evening.

.pH is not too much of a factor, though a neutral pH 7 is preferred. However, if fish have become accustomed to a higher value over a period of perhaps a year, no problem should exist in their adjustment. Of course, pH does affect color: Japanese acidic water conditions help provide them with a good red but poor black; U.S. alkaline water gives a good black but an uncertain red.

Housing: A rounded pool of at least 4' x 8' size or a Doughboy swimming pool of at least 1,000 gallons should be about half-filled with fresh but unchlorinated water to a depth of about 12 to 18 inches, sufficient but not enough to encourage jumping. Probably the pond should be prepared by adding a quart of Clorox or equivalent, draining and refilling, and then letting it stand for three days before adding fish. Usually a strong, gushing current or a splashing waterfall is desirable for providing excellent aeration, but, for spawning, these are less conducive for the tranquil atmosphere which is needed. Under whatever conditions of a still pond or collapsible swimming pool, good aeration is vital if the fish are to have good living conditions. Protection from within and without is provided. Some use fishnet, while others construct a chicken wire tent/fence. For the latter, metal posts about 4" long are driven into the ground around the circumference, from 5-7 in number, to support small gauge wire to about 2 ft. above the pond. Bamboo poles placed horizontally give top support, with ties between and at the vertical support posts to cinch up the chicken wire. Shading can be from black flameproof polypropylene shade cloth of 55-72% density, fastened to the supporting wire by metal spring clips. While most of this preparation is to keep adult koi from jumping out, it also deters kingfishers, herons, raccoons, and child rock/debris throwers!

Timing: Spawning usually occurs in early morning. If no action has occurred by 9 AM, probably nothing will happen that day. If so, fish can be fed lightly, be given attention, and can be made happy and comfortable. Particular attention should be given to possibly a fine, gentle water spray or the canvas/polypropylene covering to regulate the crucial temperature, because the koi may get over-heated in the limited volume of water. Koi may refuse to spawn if the water is too warm or if the water is very hot. After three days, if there has been no action, they should be returned to the main pond because of the mentioned danger of over-heating.

Mating: When the female is interested in spawning, she makes “household” moves with the plant/plastic medium, as though building a nest. The male is attracted to the “spawning position,” in a type of courting or foreplay. If there are single male tries to force her against the side of the pond. The males thrash and bump the female, literally forcing out thousands of her eggs while simultaneously excreting sperm. After the first discharge of eggs, if there is but one male, it positions itself on the opposite side and helps the female get rid of the remaining eggs by a second session. The turbulence of the action scatters eggs all over the pond or pool. They are very sticky and adhere to anything they touch: nesting material, pond walls, bottom. Left alone, thousands upon thousands will eventually hatch. As a result of the frenzied and violent action, the female may be injured, occasionally getting a split fin or tail. She may also retain some of the egg residue, which can be very dangerous. Additionally, the insensitive male may continue driving her, adding to the problem of her beaten condition. Therefore, the breeder should observe the fish at 15 minute intervals during the 4-61/2 hours consumed by the process.

Aftermath: Upon the completion of spawning male and female seem interested only in eating the eggs. If the male continues to be aggressive, he should be removed, carefully. He now is harder to handle and is vulnerable because his usual protective, slime-layer body covering has been worn off, so that his normal slippery feeling gives way to a sandpaper-like touch. He also probably will fight any netting. At this time, he can be prey to fungus or disease, and best can be protected by returning him to high quality, regular pond water, possibly supplemented by Bam-O-Flavine or the equivalent. The female should be isolated in a pond by herself, with other females, or with young koi for at least 24 hours, so she can recuperate. She will lose the spawning odor and have a chance to rest in this length of time.

Otherwise, she may be subject to further harassment by males not previously involved. Watching jumping; for some reason, recently-spawned females have a tendency to jump, even when alone. The breeding pond will have taken on a cloudy appearance and a distinctive, unpleasant odor. The “tapioca-like,” light-greenish, glazed eggs are quite visible to the eye. Before nightfall, a partial exchange of perhaps half of the water should be processed to clean the pond and help remove the cloudiness. Caution must be observed to keep the eggs moist at all times. Gradually the objectionable odor will dissipate. Because the hatch now prevents normal filtration, some arrangement needs to be devised to maintain the same depth-level, while pumping out the old water and spraying in fresh, new water.

A Turtle in Your Water Garden  Reprinted from Pond Droppings, November, 1995

Ed: Koi keepers may want to consider the cohabitation of turtles and koi carefully, especially ones who carry a fare dollar value. Some turtles will take a bite out of your fish instead of its intended food. Still, some turtles do very well in ponds.

One of the more interesting residents in a water garden is the turtle. Most of the dealers in our area carry Red-eared Sliders and Painted Turtles. Other varieties are sometimes available or can be ordered through specialty dealers. Be aware that some species are restricted as to collection and possession.

Turtles are popular pets with Club members. Tim Richards of Richard’s Water Gardens has a turtle pen with a tunnel between sections. Tim has the usual turtles plus a Chinese Aquatic Box Turtle. Tim reports that he feeds Reptile Food Pellets, romaine lettuce, zucchini and whole small frozen fish. All of his turtles are doing well on that diet.

“Turtles will eat anything,” says Sean Healy from Seascape Aquarium & Pet Center, “but good fish food also makes good turtle food.” Just make sure that food is high in calcium.

Former Club members Karen and Roger Schweizer own a Red-eared Slider named Snapper who “bites people, not fish.” Karen hatched her pet from an egg after Snapper’s mother was hit by a car. “She’s made us laugh more than anything in our pond,” Karen says.

Tom Swigeart of Pet Bazaar warns not to put a turtle in a liner pond, though. “Turtles like to dig,” Tom says. “An adult male Red-ear has four inch long claws, and they will shred a plastic liner.”

Club members Betsey and Vince Arlotta brought Vinnie, a six year old Painted turtle, from New Jersey to Florida. When Vinnie got too big for his Tupperware home the Arlotta’s built him a pond. “He’s beautiful,” Betsey tells everyone. “He comes when I call and eats out of my hand, and he loves hot dogs!”

The turtle’s omnivorous appetite can cause problems. Separate your turtles from water lilies, plants like water lettuce, and from small fish.

“One problem is that people build a pond for their new turtle and the next morning it’s gone,” says Dan Fix of BP’s Tropical Pets. Turtles wander, so the pond needs steeply sloped sides or barriers to keep your armored pet from skipping the scene.

Aquatic turtles will require a place to haul out to soak up the Florida sunshine, either a floating platform or an actual basking island made up of smooth stones or concrete. Turtles are fairly dirty, so you may want to consider construction of a separate pond just for turtles. Keeping just one turtle is best for beginners.

Aquatic Turtle Varieties

Red-eared Slider-Chrysemys (or Pseudemys) scripta elegans

The common water garden turtle with a green shell marked with yellow and orange, and the distinctive red “ear” marking. Also includes the yellow and red-bellied sliders. This variety loves to bask in the sun, but will need several weeks or more of hibernation. Generally this species will grow up to 10".

Map Turtles-Graptemys kohkil

A heavy tan shell with a saw-toothed ridge, plus an obvious yellow marking or stripes behind the eye describes this turtle. This sun lover will hibernate and ranges from 4-8".

Spotted Turtles-Clemmys guttata

Males have brown eyes and females yellow on this small species. The yellow spots will appear on the dark shell with age, but will grow only up to 4-5". A larger area of land helps this poor swimmer.

Stinkpot Musk Turtle-Sternotherus odoratus

Only reaching 4-6", this small turtle can be a real stinker when young, but grows out of it. Another poor swimmer, some members of this species will hardly ever come of the water, others will bask anywhere including on a branch hanging over your pond. May or may not hibernate.

Reeves’ Turtle-Chinemys reevesli

A Japanese import that grows to 7". A poor swimmer that will require a ramp or bank from water to land. This species should not hibernate under Florida water gardening conditions if brought in during cold weather.

Painted Turtle-Chrysemys picta

A dark brown shell with tan bands and bright yellow and red margins and a “painted” underside. A size of 7-10" is average for an adult, which will need a period of hibernation.

Diamondback Terrapin-Malaclemys terrapin

A beautiful aquatic turtle with a sculptured shell that must have sea salt or brackish water in its enclosure. The Florida subspecies runs 5-7", others slightly larger. This beautiful turtle was threatened due to its popularity as a food source for humans.

Malayan Box Turtle-cuora ambronensis

A box-shaped aquatic turtle from Asia grows up to 8" and will need a sloping bank. This turtle does not hibernate, but must be protected from even cool weather. Add live snails to this turtle’s diet.

AKCA Report

The club received our yearly ballot for officers of AKCA. There was only one candidate for each office and a place for a write in.

Chairperson Larry Leverett;  Vice Chairperson Doug Dahl;  Secretary Carole Elliott; Treasurer Lisa Barnett

As we had to respond to the ballot by May 1st, the board decided to endorse the slate as presented on behalf of the club.

AKCA is looking for the club that will host the 2004 and 2005 Seminars.

From the President

Secretary Reports

Spawning of Koi

A Turtle in Your Water Garden

AKCA Report

Return to Barbels Archives

Email Todo

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